Look’s like my time here is up.

What I’ve experienced in the last month has been deeply revealing, not just of Eli’s position, but many at EFR, everyone in the Finck camp, and others who see my work—but of everyone’s mindset that automatically disagrees, (and I too was there on this topic with all you guys, I rejected it for 13 years, until I researched each verse). I’ve tried my best to handle all this with pre-warning, maturity, patience, and clarity. Eli (and others), unfortunately, are:

  • Reacting emotionally (even if they deny it),
  • Trying to control the narrative by shutting down conversation prematurely,
  • Accusing me of division when I’m merely teaching my honest findings (which I’ve always done)(with at least 2 scriptural witness and tons of info/explanation/commentaries, etc),
  • And defaulting to fear-based rhetoric (“you’re on the wrong path,” “eisegesis,” “your symbolism doesn’t work”) without seriously engaging my evidence.

“Have I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?” – Galatians 4:16

Let me first affirm:

🔹 I am not wrong to ask questions. Some denominations never look past their own doctrine.
🔹 I am not causing division by studying deeper. Does not the Bible tell us to get wisdom/understanding?
🔹 I am not dishonoring God by seeking a clearer understanding.
🔹 And I am not obligated to keep silent just because it makes others uncomfortable.

🧾 What Do I Make of All This?

This is a classic example of gatekeeping within a theological framework. I didn’t just reject the Satan doctrine randomly—I carefully studied it, cross-referenced scripture, and walked through ALL the serpent, the devil, and satan verses from Genesis to Revelation. I’m not teaching/sharing some flaky vision—I’m laying out a spiritually mature, text-rooted paradigm.

But Eli and others can’t hear me—not because my arguments are weak, but because their identity and system depend on the traditional view. They are fighting not just my study, but the threat of losing a foundational piece of how they interpret the Bible.

People are moving the goalposts:

  • I’m covering serpent → they jump to demons.
  • I state that devils and demons don’t exist → they say I deny supernatural events and angels.
  • I quote Psalm 78 → they bring up hell testimonies.
  • I clarify I’m still early-series → they say “I’ve seen enough.”
  • I ask for honest engagement → they close the door to future posts.

Trying to debunk a full study based on just the introductory chapters (or cherry picked verses)— is absurd. Try getting to a destination with just 2% of the road names and directions!

To Eli: I don’t believe you’re panicking, but I do believe you’re reacting emotionally and prematurely. You say I give your objections “short shrift,” yet you’ve dismissed hundreds of scriptural observations I haven’t even finished presenting (see Post of mine from your RH show). You accuse me of eisegesis, but haven’t honestly addressed the serpent foundation yet—just pivoted to demons and emotions. Please, brother, I once believed all that you now say (I learned from you!). I’m not your enemy. But the moment a brother offers correction or insight that challenges your paradigm, you shut him down and call it division.

So be it.

 

✅ What Can I Do Now?

I’ve been asked to stop posting my CONTROVERSIAL series, which made it only to 4 of 23 episodes. Covering only 4 of the 6 episodes examining the term ‘SERPENT’. We haven’t even gotten to the devil (7-12) and satan episodes (13-22). There’s not much I can say at this point, people have asked Eli to boot me, and Eli is having a hard time with it as well, so I am leaving. But before I do I wanted to leave a graceful exit post that:

  • Affirms my love for truth and Scripture, and STUDYING.
  • Leaves the door open for others to follow the study on their own, you know how to find me.
  • I will continue to show respect without retreat, and
  • Demonstrate that the division isn’t my doing—but other’s unwillingness to allow my voice and honestly examine the evidence. DOES A JURY GIVE THE VERDICT BEFORE EXAMINING ALL THE EVIDENCE? Of course not.

It does grieve me, deeply, that some of my own Israelite Christian kinsmen and women—many of whom have listened to my studies and trusted my teaching here for the past eight years—can so quickly turn away as if my work no longer holds any value (some of you have been downright NASTY!). I haven’t changed my heart or my love for truth, only grown in my understanding. It saddens me to see years of trust and fellowship brushed aside the moment I ask deeper questions and offer a fresh perspective. That kind of silence and rejection hurts more than any public rebuttal ever could.

But I’ll be okay. Even our Savior said He didn’t come to bring peace, but division (Luke 12:51). I knew this road wouldn’t be easy—but truth is worth it, even when it costs you everything else.

Am I burning bridges? No, I’m not. Im not leaving in anger or bitterness. I’m leaving because Eli asked me to stop posting this current study on the devil, and apparently enough people voiced complaints that it became clear I’m no longer welcome here—at least not while I’m presenting this perspective. So out of respect for the request, and in order to preserve peace, I’m stepping away.

If by some chance more of you truly desire for me to stay and it’s acceptable to Eli and the community, I’d gladly return. But as it stands, the overall consensus seems to be that my studies are too offensive to the traditional view/2SL view of the devil and spirit world—and for that reason, I’m being asked to go. I accept that. But I’ll keep teaching/sharing wherever I’m welcome, because truth doesn’t stop when the door closes in one place.

All I wanted to do was share what I’ve been shown by the Father and researched and compiled. I’ll leave you with a post message in the EFR chat by IsraeliteHeritage who has done his job as a true student of the Word and examined my entire study and this is what they had to say:

IsraeliteHeritage: That is the big key thing I took from the study. Not even whether these entities are real or not, It forces accountability back into place. It removed those that will not be present, or held accountable for my sin on judgement. I won’t be able to point the finger at anyone but myself, and my own wretchedness. Lawlessness rules the system right now, it’s easy to see who is behind it, the big problem is those that should not be blindly, and willfully serving lawlessness do so. Speaking to them of sin they know not where in they sin, or whom they sin against, because the law has become a myth to most in the churches. This series should at least be a test of reflection on our own lives, and stir our desire to learn of the kingdom, the law, and be doers of good works, as this is what will counter our enemies works. I can say I’ve spent more of my life learning who to blame, and worrying about what my enemy is doing rather than making myself ready, and ensuring I have oil in my lamp.

Signing off and out.

In Jesus Christ our King

Rob Brother Hebert

 

Yes, I will continue designing calendars, and if it’s ok, I’ll even remind ya’ll here next year. I’m not abandoning my kith and kin. I’m the one being abandoned.

 

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UPDATE: 5 /10/25  – FOLKS, this is posted in the Bro H-RH – Satan in Scripture: Real or Metaphorical? Response and Clarification from 5/5

Bro H-RH – Satan in Scripture: Real or Metaphorical? Response and Clarification

I had to post this 2nd rebuttal here below of Eli’s rebuttal of my first rebuttal.

📜 Response to Eli’s May 9 Sermon

Correcting Misrepresentations and Restating My Position

After reviewing Eli’s recent sermon, I must respond—not to argue, but to defend the integrity of my study and correct repeated misrepresentations. I haven’t even finished presenting the verses in the serpent study (which is only Part 4 of 23)(4 of 6 serpent episodes, the Devil verses are covered in episodes 7-12, followed by the satan verses), yet Eli has already made public rebuttals based largely on assumptions, not the content I’ve actually shared. For some reason he is just not even looking at my study, which can’t be just ‘glanced over’. I’m sharing what is going to take 19 more weeks, but Eli has already proven me wrong???! And, I keep trying to tell you guys, and him, that what I am sharing does NOT require you to believe in devils and demons one way or the other!!!

Below is a chart comparing what Eli claims, what I’ve actually said, and my response to those claims.

🔍 Rebuttal Chart

Verse / Claim Eli’s Interpretation My Actual Position Rebuttal
Ezekiel 28 – King of Tyre Says the king is a fallen angel (Halel) and metaphor fails because Tyre wasn’t in Eden or a cherub. I haven’t even presented my Tyre episode yet. I interpret the language as poetic, not literal—just like Ezekiel 19 or 32. Eli falsely attributes things to me that I haven’t said (like the “naked” comment). This is satire and poetic judgment, not literal angelology.
Luke 9:42 / demon stories Says they prove literal demons; accuses me of trying to “metaphorize” it all. I’ve said repeatedly that my demon study isn’t finished or released. I haven’t even addressed this yet. This is a classic strawman—arguing against a position I haven’t presented. We’re still on serpent verses.
Claim: I deny spiritual evil Says I reject the spirit world and only use metaphor. I affirm the spiritual realm. I just deny the need for supernatural “devils” or “demons” to explain spiritual evil. Eli never quotes me on this—he assumes and accuses. I’ve shown that evil can be spiritual and human.
2,000 years of tradition Says my view is modern, started by Emry. I’ve documented that literal Satan doctrines—including 2SL—are modern constructs themselves. Truth isn’t measured by tradition. Jesus refuted plenty of it. Eli’s appeal to tradition is not scriptural evidence.
Eph. 6:12, Luke 10:17, Rev. 12:9, etc. Says these prove a literal devil/demons. I’ve shown these are apocalyptic, symbolic, and metaphorical—often describing political/spiritual systems. Eli offers no real exegesis—just assumes a literal being every time the word “devil” or “spirit” appears.

Verse / Claim Eli’s Interpretation My Actual Position Rebuttal
Dead Sea Scrolls & Essenes Cites the War Scroll to prove belief in real spirit beings. I don’t deny ancient belief in spirits—but belief ≠ proof. Dead Sea Scrolls reveal worldview, not doctrine. I base my views on Scripture, not the Essenes. My study on Demons and unclean spirits will be revealing. Stay tuned.
Pneuma (spirit) Says ‘pneuma’ always means literal spirit beings. I acknowledge “pneuma” means spirit, but it has many contextual uses (attitude, breath, mindset, etc.). Eli limits the word artificially and ignores verses where it clearly refers to internal disposition.
Use of Metaphor Says I “spiritualize” everything and ignore plain text. I distinguish between genre, parable, prophecy, satire, and literal teaching. Prophets used metaphor constantly. Revelation is meant to be symbolic. That’s not eisegesis—it’s exegesis.
Eisegesis accusation Says I’m forcing my views onto Scripture. My study is grounded in word studies, second witnesses, cross-referencing, and literary structure. Eli hasn’t shown where I forced a meaning—just that it disagrees with his tradition. That’s not eisegesis.

Final Thought

Eli continues to respond with assumptions, not engagement. He says I reject the spirit world. I don’t. He says I’m making up doctrine. I’m not. He says my symbolism is arbitrary. It isn’t. I show my work, define my terms, and let Scripture interpret Scripture.

If you’re going to rebut my study, rebut what I’ve actually presented, not what you assume I believe.

And to those who are listening: I haven’t even started the real “devil and satan” study yet. These are the early chapters. Let’s be fair—and honest enough—to let the whole case be heard.

🧠 A Word on 2SL and Spiritual Growth

For the record, I’m not rejecting everything 2SL has taught—I’ve benefited from it. But Two-Seedline is not the be-all, end-all of Christian faith. It’s not the monopoly on truth or the highest form of Christianity.

Yes, identity matters. Yes, the covenants are real. Yes, migration history is important. But after you’ve learned those things—what’s next? For many, the growth stops. The “meat” of the Word becomes limited to devil genetics and constant Jew-bashing. That’s not spiritual maturity—that’s a theological cul-de-sac.

2SL, as it’s commonly practiced, becomes a final destination, not a launchpad. It builds a club centered on genetic ID and Esau, but shuts the door on the deeper spiritual messages found in Scripture—messages that apply whether or not there’s a literal devil. In doing so, it limits the Holy Spirit’s ability to lead people into deeper truth.

I’m not walking away from Scripture. I’m walking deeper into it.

 

I thought 2SL was known for our studying and examining scripture, but apparently 2SL is known for defending 2SL at all costs. I’m still amazed at how I couldn’t even get past part 4 of a 23 episode study, halfway through the ‘serpent’ verses and not even to the devil and satan verses yet!!!  Is this how a true student of the Word and lover of the Truth examines the evidence?!?!

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